How to deal with mobile compositions? How to macro whilst microing? – Newbie Stream

How to deal with mobile compositions? How to macro whilst microing? - Newbie Stream



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Ryan how are we doing gang I'm pretty sure the notes over here resonate with everybody for those of you who have a big enough screen to see them remember guys if you apply these that is the philosophy of the Starcraft player and it'll make you successful in life and a big brain person takes extreme responsibility and ownership for everything that goes wrong in that game anyways I guess we should probably up in game hey guys take a look here at some more replays we're gonna stop blitzing through them all thank you everybody for your help and I really want to encourage once more we haven't been quite as super noob friendly today we've been talking about things and stuff and I've been not as focused on the newbie stuff so I want to say if there's any bran Z's in chat any Silver's or anyone who's never even played the game will barely played it I would really encourage you're not just encouraged I'm gonna ask you as a favor please ask questions and the Dumber it sounds in your head and the more embarrassed you are to say it can you please vocalize it anyway no matter what because we need more people asking that the dumb questions because when you're nine years down the Starcraft rabbit all like I am it is just so hard for me to reset my brain and forget that all of this accumulated information it's not second knowledge to you guys so basic questions complicated questions random questions even some off-topic ones I'm gonna encourage those and my lovely hyper server that's right my hyper server I say my he's like it's like a pet or something that's a weird way to say so he's on call with me right now and and he's gonna keep on riding them down as well as just read some out to me on air as well did we get any more questions I don't think we wrote any more down right I went on my lunch break so I did not – – see but I will pay attention just just freed him out as they come out and if I'm just non-stop talking just out like bananas or dog poo or something like that to interrupt and that can help break it up because I actually really enjoy everything being broken up to answer questions in chat and we can try and make this last portion of the strain the last few hours a bit more interactive this is a bribe to bump my replay oh my god sapien gaming just tip 10 bucks to bribe to bump the replay to the top we I'm like hmm this is an interesting business model I mean the whole point is it's accessible to everyone but we'll try to get to yours can we just quickly check where sapiens is in the list I can make it next let's just check how far down to this first 1414 we'll see if we get there sapien sorry I really don't want to play favorites because that obviously then I'm basically saying hey guys it's free coaching and then someone you know gives money and then everyone else gives money and they all move out so I always want to prioritize the experience of everybody I do want to say a massive thanks to the support and I'm gonna blitz through these replays so we will get to yours today I will find a way to get through 14 replays thanks to ours we'll do it you knows maybe I'll ruin my schedule or just stream really late we'll see how we go alright so who's this from what do we got man we got a Pvt from rod Norris plinth Radner yeah something like that point of view 2900 MMR so around Gold I believe – Gold – maybe something like that and he's just asking how can I better deal with mobile armies when they're rotating between my baby oh the old mag failed yeah I think we're gonna get some cyclone dicking in hey this will be fun I also like Radnor oh by the way I've no I've seen rad noir around but I always like to especially when I say it without because I was cool you've read Nora but when I see it written like this in game it just looks like you know how like rain or is like little Italian kid who like you know it was like 10 years old and named himself rain or and spelt it wrong well this is like you're like I'm gonna take you to the next level I'm rad Noir and I'm like I don't know it's just imagine Draenor but dressed up as like a sidekick bad guy from a shitty eighties movie wearing one of those crappy vests and he's got like a flora green mohawk and he just says really shitty dumb cuz he's like what yeah I'm gonna slash you something anyways they always have a switchblade for some reason and you're like what even is this sad approximation of a henchman this you guys have seen 80s movies I'm thinking of like like the the dudes who are in a gang in Crocodile Dundee does anyone remember that like we're in a gang and I'm like you guys look like you're gonna theater group or something they're all wearing leather vests for some reason and like sunglasses outdoors at night and no I use it yeah what the do you what sort of gang these people who make these movies hang around how do they think this is what anyone looks like that's what I imagine Radner would look like on to the point how do we deal with mass cyclone super mobile composition well let's actually answer the question miss a via seer has actually gotten away with a very greedy opening using cyclones to cover it poked with two cyclones and is now I think gonna get a little bit further ahead of us maybe not too bad we're actually doing a really good job with our economy but the moment you see cyclones you do have to kind of be aware of what you're up against and one of the big problems we had here is we accidentally f2 Dow observer harm and we didn't check what we were up against so it's really this is a good example what we're talking about with scouting infrastructure scouting against something it's not important at a low level guess what if your opponent goes mass void ray is or mass cycle you know something really specific it becomes very important because these things require responses so oh that was a good that was a good move already seeing to cyclones a little bit suspect but so you might already assume it's it's kind of battle mech but I think if we if we have we made another observer I think that's so important or a hallucination like you need to know what's going on in the game right so I do feel like we kind of had a little pervy boy shut down and we just accepted it and a lot of zags do this they lose the zoning outside the base and they never replace it I'm like no no replace it so after the first immortal popped and then our observer got got scan I would have immediately Khurana boosted two or three more immortals I think having these observers sorry these observers just to see what's going on would have helped you out so much and especially with the mobility that would help you later on not but but most importantly if we saw this master club factory Cyclones rallying out we would have made a go whoa sorry first things first how do we count a cyclones guys charge lots are the best unit of the game against cyclones technically the Cyclones can lock on and run away lock on run away and lock on and run away but you know why that doesn't work guys do you know it's because eventually the Cyclones hit the edge of the map and they've still only killed half of your zealots and then all the Cyclones die in about three seconds this is assuming they micro perfectly and don't lose the Cyclones before that the other reason is you can flank them you come from – size results you'll be good the problem players normally run into is players who play battle mech mass cyclone play incredibly greedy usually this third down very early especially for this league all the work is already rallied over there non-stop like pumping out cyclones and it's gonna get a nice little snipe block off kill the opponent's third if we kept that third up took a fast fourth we'd be able to have enough units as it is it looks like we're probably gonna drown in an immense number of units now storm is not bad actually it's not bad guys it's quite good for zoning out cyclones and if they become too deep you can land some six storms actually not bad cyclones a fragile really good against the Hellions that mix in with them as well no not the priority though that comes later right we need to focus on a gate eight gates ten gates of charge lots try and get upgrades attack upgrades are the most important against this arm upgrades are a nice bonus but attack upgrades are more important because cyclone lock-on does set damage it's spell damage it is not affected by armor but it'll help you against hellions and then potentially siege tanks and things just a little bit later on but attacks most important so big problem here now he comes in from that side and he says Lal where's your Nexus mate and at this point we've lost the game how do you deal with these mobile positions it goes back to replacing the Scouts on the map guys observers like I said you should never just go for one observer but especially if I got to get it build more and get them out all over the map and and that way you can kind of see where they're coming from and we could have been ready for this at this point we are too far behind and we are just going to be dead Z's we're not going to be able to compete there's going to be too many cyclones so even with zealots and immortals which are both good units for us this archons aren't very helpful they're too slow and they don't do enough damage by the way so don't really go archons unless you've got just too much gas and you kind of need to spend your money so the cyclone is gonna do really good unless they're not micro very well and we're actually almost gonna win this game or maybe even win it if we did some backstabs that's the other way you beat cyclones guys cyclones normally your opponent will have one control group of cyclones and they want to lock on scant run away look on run away and the moment you hit two bases with zealots they go so often when they're in your side of the map whenever you get comfortable sneak about 15 zealots in and just backstab their rally point and watch them fall apart GG well played there thank you for the replay Radner hopefully that helps you out look at the APM you're both at 150 plus hot damn you stopped the observer on purpose because you wanted to watch the rotation says Radner mm-hmm okay fair enough but yeah yeah you needed to just get more observers out you would have been absolutely fine mate good replay let's open to the next one shall we yes sir oh my god see you made mad prophet IFAs over on a Bitcoin purchase and then you realize how much more mad that would have been ha ha still mad to this day that story oh my god so 1500 bitcoins about 3 cents each and you sold them for about a dollar each to make so what was 1500 at three cents eight so you spent like 50 bucks or 20 bucks or five bucks or something I think it was it was it was it was like birthday money you know 50 bucks for fifteen hundred dollars dude that's awesome though it's yeah for another four you're missing out dude you you see what it could have been and you're like yeah yeah Scarlett and Naniwa same thing alright they had that show match sure they got like eight Bitcoin both sold him when it was like a couple couple thousand dollars for the eight or nine Bitcoin or whatever it was yeah obviously not as Extreme as your example that yeah yeah I reckon there's a lot of stoners out there who are like in today's valuation of Bitcoin or its peak back in you know January last year when everyone's like I bought six million dollars worth of weed through Silk Road like no the number of people who bought drugs online for like oh yeah it's a it's a thousand Bitcoin for like it dime bag of weed you know and you're like like that wasn't Bitcoin that's hilarious there's like there's like a few there's probably a few people who just didn't realize they they didn't spend the rest of their Bitcoin lar good a few thousand spare Bitcoin I just forgot to use now like they find it's still in their account or in their little Hardware role and they're like it's worth millions now I did I just forgot about it most people have I've heard quite a few people have stories like that but they never can find the Bitcoin is always the problem like I know it's somewhere I don't know where anyways if what's the replay it side yeah yes I add masters 4500 MMR around and he's just asking how to transition smoothly from a 1 1 1 opening to a macro setup without banking insane amount of resources in full oh are we doing neck or let's see how you doing zyyd zyyd been hanging out all day I hope you still in chat mate so tell Ian Banshee I'm not a big fan of the building placement it kind of triggers me a little bit but where are we gonna fit our buildings like it's a bit haphazard you guys know I always go on about this but damn fam cuz like look at this look at this gap that's not enough to fit more production in and you can fit like 4 siege tanks of Brest there so that's unnecessary so where are we gonna put our buildings we could basically get fit one row here but it's a bit awkward ok so we're doing it one one one we're doing a Hellion Banshee opening now stim is super early a lot of people love to make that fast Tim I would argue why that's what I always say in this case I'm like if you want you can start it but it's it's just that it shouldn't take priority over everything else coming in now on this map it's quite hard to do damage with your heli ins we saw T y versus arrow 0 aliens actually he went to Helens on a different map he went 0 aliens on this map in that first series and homestory cup that the upper bracket final is not the grand finals he literally like wall off the front there with like eBay's and just went straight into like three CC on location marines like he tried to deny the overload scouting with two marines and then basically just like went mega greed straight to buy our tank hellions it is a bit risky because like you know like they can wall off up here even and it's just there's only one entrance right unless you're gonna bring us CVS over and open a path which i feel if you're doing a Hellion style it might actually be worth sneaking two SUVs across and just opening up a single space gap and just doing a dot in and be like whoa gotcha but as it is we need a bit more of a clear plan of what I'll follow up is so how can i how can I do this without banking insane amounts heads I had well we go to third sea see it a decent timing not as fast as it could have been but the big problem here is well we've swapped off how the in production at six but we haven't started our double eBay or our barracks yet or anything like that so I think we're having trouble with our multitasking Andy Oh Oh speak of the devil there are two SUVs going across the map but they're coming to repair instead I think Oh No be a banshees are one of the most micro intensive and least reliable damage units they become exceptionally reliable and amazing as you hit an insane level of skill and multitasking I think my stream everyone who hangs out here regularly you guys know why why do I not lose banshees why why do I not lose why do I don't use banshees very much it's because I know I'm I just I I'm getting okay with them in TVT but honestly and I use them in TV P and T V T a bit but against there's eight Range Queens and those spore crawlers that any decent Zerg will build if they see a Hellion opening at four minutes thirty it's hard to get a lot of damage done and Zions doing a pretty good job with it but I feel like you always put so much attention towards it even when you get a good amount of damage unless you catch them with no detection it's hard to go beyond breaking even because of the amount of minerals and gas you're banking on so for me I look at it and I say why not make hell that's at the front while cueing the liberator in the back you can literally stare at your base and it doesn't need any micro because they held that so you need to attack move and the liber8 it you queue up literally from your base you don't even need to look at it so I would say this is a classic matter of Zion trying to do a little bit too much why not make it BC is a point in chappy C is also a lot easier to micro so I think that's easier to micro things and I think it's not bad to learn to use the Banshee but there are easier options that being said I'm being a little bit of a bitch on what do I say guys I always say why not if you love banshees get better if you're excited to get better at a unit even if you suck now people people often choose that strategy saying I'm bad at it therefore I shouldn't do it I always say if you if you like the idea of getting good at that focus on it get good at it so let's say Zions I love Eliott banshees I want to be like innovation and use it well I'd be like you do that buddy high five but you need to organize your macro cuz this is a sure this base is one of the worst things I've ever seen in my life I love you Zayed you're a regular legend I think he might have gone to sleep I think he's a you based but this is a show dude oh my god what is this bass disgusts me so we're at this this is like this is what I used to do when I wasn't as used to going back in a buyer play guys you getting your like I got full medevacs for four are not graded Marines wait no they have stim should we go to a double drop with four Marines like what are we gonna do here this base is out of trash um let's go back and I want to tell you guys how I would fix that and this is really useful for Terran players especially but for everybody especially players are doing a bit of harassment bit of pressure number one know the exact order that you're doing it's utter trash yeah I do trash for sure not utter utter Austrians goddamn Austrians number one no the exact order so for me it would be third CC double-a bay to more barracks to more barracks BAM or if you wanna make it easier for barracks all at once so that you can do all the add-ons in one big batch I'm talking about triple helix he's dirty he's a dirty Austrian yeah he's a wannabe Arnold Schwarzenegger but instead he is just garbage juice Taylor did you just wake up Hilux are you saw its Hilux you don't sleep sorry dude like seems late for you to be oh you did just wake up nice how you doing man so anyway basically what you would do is you would say cool right now what are we focused on because we've got a ton of money and we're about to enter a micro situation third CC we're gonna swap the factory what's that factory doing now we're lowering a Depot I'm putting it we're taking a third gas so what we're seeing here is terrible batching you want to batch up you can call it chaining some people call it chaining so I'm call it linking some call it batching I vacillate between all three terms okay what are we talking about we're talking about do things in one big organized or chunking actually I really like Shum carries something one big organized chunk alright yeah that's right you guys are learning new words you guys don't even know what vacillate means lull it's not to do with using Vaseline on your dorm that's a that's a tip twit shut so dumb you guys keep keep side railing me you guys are too silly you too easy anyways basically we've gone third CC we've lifted the factory but we haven't given it another command if you lift a building you immediately tell it to go to its next task I would immediately be telling that to build another reactor or a tech lab right if we take a third guess we take both gases at the same time because if we take one gas that means looking at your natural building a gas it means coming back 30 seconds later putting two workers on that gas coming back later taking another gas coming back later putting two workers like a the same thing lifts up the factory come back later tell it to build an add-on come back later tell it to lift off and build another and fly away come back later tell it to build an add-on build full barracks no it's like build one barracks come back later building out on come back later building other barracks come back later building out on and we understand how Terran players and this is the same physical recycle get lost in their own mechanics and have no ability to get done float thousands of minerals while miss my kering and saying my race is impossibly hard Terran is hard I think Terran is the most mechanically challenging race I also think people need to stop using that as an excuse of being really disorganized and terribly terribly chaotic in their macro batch your units together except that you're not a perfect player and make it easier for yourself make it easier for yourself okay so what we should we do every game if our Banshee always arrives at this time this is very late for a banshee to the other side of the map we should know in our build ah this is already building a reactor we've already built two banshees so basically maybe we go okay stop pull it and and factory lift off factory lands on the tech lab stop pull up builds are reactive whatever the order is with the add-ons and then we want to go third CC double abate micro focus and we swap into micro we micro this Banshee and check this out we're gonna go Micro Micro Micro hell poke the front ok this defense pulled aliens back Micra panchi okay it's go detection run it away alright we're gonna we're gonna cue that to move they're here and then here away from detection where I can't get sniped I'm gonna say cool micros over for a little bit jump home alright we've got a lot of money barracks barracks barracks barracks mm-hmm gas gas queue up SUVs drop mules go back my Kurt Micra the Banshee Micra the banshee go back to the front da the Hellions in oh there's too many Ling's pull back pull back Micra the Banshee damn we've done 15 seconds of micro go harm build an orbital start 1-1 build your four reactors batch that together and have a clear delineation a clear boundary between when your Mac growing and when your my current if you can do that you can macro while doing very micro intensive pressure but you do one at a time you don't do everything at once multitasking it's not that it's not a thing it's that you're not good enough to do it I mean you can argue about the semantics of multitasking doesn't truly exist it's your ability to swap between it between things you suck at swapping between abilities you know amar stop trying to be Mario you guys Terran players especially everyone does this to some extent but Terrans are the absolute worst at thinking they can do five things at once they're like I have 4000 APM right like you're not be on Omar's stop it stop it so like I said the even easier way is just queue hell that's in queue Liberator and go look at home and do perfect back roof but yeah as always the more APM you put into pressure the more onus there is on this has to do damage so every second that Syed puts in its good micro but because he hasn't done clean organized macro behind it it's bad harassment where if he'd had clean organized macro where everything was being hit perfectly he could have done zero worker kills and been ahead of the Zerg right and that's the funny dichotomy that we end up in guys where if we get to tunnel vision I got a micro this I gotta kill twenty drones it's not about that it's how much can I kill whilst having a good follow-up number one number two how much can I throw off my opponent or four so responds right if you come in and your opponent has six pork rollers across their bases 14 Queens and 12 zerglings ten banelings at the front and you just back off you shouldn't go oh no I didn't do damage because you have done damage because your opponent's a paranoid boy who's built so much defense he can't possibly have a lot of workers if he's built all that much fighting stuff you can just back off keep focusing on your macro and know you're ahead so damage and and and how much you need to be ahead or even is relational to how your opponent's playing as well the more defense or fighting units your opponent builds the less onus there is on you doing damage likewise the more tight you are on your macro the less owners there is on your harassment doing damage sometimes just showing your harassment is like build some defense buddy and you can just you can pull back you don't even need to do anything so what's really interesting is every now and then we always find ourselves going too hard in one direction or the other and hyper so if we could host up the next replay that would be amazing please so if you find yourself going to tunnel vision on the micro try to rein it back play a few games will you do only the most very short contained focus on your micro 90% of your focuses on your macro and just like okay I'll poke in with aliens and then I'll pull back I will poke into the banshee once look for 1 or 2 drone kills and then pull back and that's it and I don't it might do that for 5 10 games and you'll find you naturally work your way back towards the center of where you should be a mix and a swapping between micro and macro so so make sure you actually try to do that and obviously do the opposite if you only macro and you never control your units and you just sit at home and you have like no mad vision and no harassment try to do 90% harassment focus for a bunch of games get really good at that and it should help drag you back towards center once you go back to playing in a natural or organic way

3 thoughts on “How to deal with mobile compositions? How to macro whilst microing? – Newbie Stream

  • July 26, 2019 at 12:35 pm
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    I'm gold 1 but when I used to play for months consistently I got to diamond 3. But how exactly I scout someone who builds all the buildings, like spawning pool, roach, bane, and lair. I did not see the problem answered.

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  • July 26, 2019 at 12:35 pm
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    I have a billion of questions throughout my games. The most bothering me right now is how to deflect zerg/toss counter attacks as terran, whilst your army is not near home? Shall I bind those units or just press F2 – attack and then rule my 1 (main army) to the enemy bases? I want to be consistent in it.

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  • July 26, 2019 at 12:35 pm
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    Taking tips from Neuro I see 😀

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